. >> we have steve schmidt on yesterday. steve schmidt would call me during the 2008 campaign. and it used to drive him crazy, and the mccain campaign crazy, about how arrogant the obama team was. he was, like, they don't respect us at all. he'd go, why -- you know, they don't think we have anything. and that was the attitude that they set forth. and i've just got to believe also there was a huge level of overconfidence going into that romney debate. kind of like the dukakis team had in 1988, that they were the smartest people on the planet, and they looked down on the waters and the great unwashed, and i think maybe he was in shock that mitt romney came out and was effective as he was. >> or maybe they felt and maybe rightfully so, they didn't really need the debate as much as they thought they did. >> maybe they listened to donny. >> but i want to know, mark halperin, what you meant by mitt romney, who he was during the debate versus the mitt romney that the president might have been practicing against of the past few months or past few years. what are the differences? >> he